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post Jan 31 2006, 09:06 AM
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I love this IPA, haven't had the 90 minute yet but would love to. This question may have been asked here before but forgive me if it has. Does anyone have a good clone for the DFH 60 min IPA??
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post Jan 31 2006, 12:06 PM
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The tough part will be adding the hop pellets for 60 minutes straight. That will be a lot of hops in the end, hope you have a big kettle.

More info here. Don't know where you will find "Mystery Hop X" either.
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post Jan 31 2006, 12:17 PM
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I am not an expert nor is this my recipe. This is a combination of some recipes I have seen. I have never tried to brew the 60 minute but I have gotten very close to the 90 minute. Since these are just the same beer scaled one way or the other this should be close.

Try to hit OG of 1.070 so what ever that is for you.

Grain Bill ( 85% base – 15% amber )

5 gallons:

11 lbs – Pilsner
2 lbs – Amber

Amarillo - 12 AAUs ( ~ 1.5 oz )
Warrior – 6 AAUs ( ~ .5 oz )
Simcoe – 6 AAUs ( ~ .5 oz ) "Mystery Hop X" ?

An AAU is alpha * amount.

Hops are all mixed together and added over the boil. Just mix them up at the beginning and add a little bit every 6 ( 60 minutes boil ) or 9 ( 90 minute boil ) minutes. This will give you 10 hop additions.

Mash:

122 – 20 minutes
148-152 – 60 minutes

If you want to make the 90 just up the grain bill to hit 1.088-1.090 and up the hops to hit 16, 8, 8.

I have gotten something that is very close or at least I think it is close.


This should really be in the recipe section. I could not find anything with the search and I know this has been talked about before.
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post Feb 8 2006, 12:54 PM
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hbrewer- looks like a good recipe.

anyone have a yeast they would suggest?

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post Feb 8 2006, 01:03 PM
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Dog Fish Head recomended using Wyeast 1099 Whit bread. Make a very big starter when using this yeast. It tends to crap out in the 1.020 range.
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post Feb 8 2006, 01:32 PM
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The Latest issue of BYO has a recipe of it in there.
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post Feb 9 2006, 11:38 AM
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I will be brewing the recipe from BYO this weekend. There were two hops I have never heard of before mentioned in the recipe, palisade and glacier. And interesignly enough the recommended yeast #1 is Ringwood Ale then Engilsh ale.

A little different than the 90 minute IPA that was published last year.
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post Feb 9 2006, 01:04 PM
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I just got my new BYO yesterday and this recipe is definately on my list to brew. I may have to make some yeast substitutions.

The ringwood ale yeast took me by surprise too.
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post Feb 9 2006, 01:42 PM
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Dogfish Head uses a proprietary yeast strain. None of the Wyeast, White Labs or dried yeast strains available to homebrewers are the Dogfish strain. It is, however, known that their strain is a derivative of Ringwood ale yeast, so that's why it's recommended for the 60 Minute clone in BYO.

If you have another yeast strain you'd like to substitute, go ahead. Most English ale strains should work fairly well in this clone. (That's why we recommend Ringwood "or other English ale yeast." For the 90 Minute clone, published September 2004, we recommended the Whitbread strain.)

If you do use the Ringwood strain, you must make a starter (I recommend 1.5 qts. per gallons) and aerate it well. Likewise, you will need to aerate your main wort well and perform a thorough diacetyl rest after fermentation. Ringwood is a finicky yeast and does not do well when underpitched to underaerated wort.


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post Feb 9 2006, 01:53 PM
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Thanks for the info Chris (IMG:style_emoticons/brewboard/smile.gif)

Even if the yeast isn't exactly the same, it's fun to brew a recipe to one of my favorite beers and know the recipe was "straight from the horse's mouth". I've been looking for a good recipe similar to DFH 60 minute for a long time.

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post Feb 9 2006, 04:42 PM
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I must say that I brewed the HBA Outback Aussie ale a few months back, basically a pale ale with ringwood hops and ringwood ale yeast, and it was VERY tasty.

I wish I would have saved the cake from it...

It was hard to find all the hops in the artcle but I found one place in CA that had them all...

Home Wine, Beer and Cheesemaking Shop
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post Feb 9 2006, 04:52 PM
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Awesome responses everyone! Thanks so much for the help. Greatly appreciated. Hopefully soon I can make great contributions like you all.

cheers.

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post Feb 10 2006, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(dc2002 @ Feb 9 2006, 11:39 AM)
I will be brewing the recipe from BYO this weekend.  There were two hops I have never heard of before mentioned in the recipe, palisade and glacier.  And interesignly enough the recommended yeast #1 is Ringwood Ale then Engilsh ale.

A little different than the 90 minute IPA that was published last year.
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I was also under the impression that the grain bill and hop selection were the same for the 60 and 90 minutes ales, with just higher amounts for the 90 minute of each.

BYO's 2 recipes for the 60 and 90 have a few differences in regards to hops.

90 min (sept 04 issue) 16 AAU Amarillo, 8 AAU Simcoe and 8 AAU Warrior
mix together and add .25 oz of mix every 7.5 min.

(Dry Hop, 1oz Amarillo, .5 oz Simcoe and .5 oz Warrior)


60 min (current issue) 11.2 AAU Warrior, 3.6 AAU Simcoe, 5.6 AAU Palisade
60 min - 35 min left in boil, evenly add warrior
35 min - 25 min left in boil, evenly add Simcoe
25 min - 0 min left in boil, evenly add Palisade

(whirlpool .7oz Palisade
Dry Hop, .59oz Amarillo, .59oz Simcoe and .59 oz Glacier)


Differences: Amarillo = big player in 90 min & Warrior big player in 60 min
90 min has hops mixed together and added
60 min has 1 hop added until runs out, then another the same...


Questions:

1. Does Dogfish use the same hops for the 2 beers, just more of them in the 90?
2. Are the hops here, close enough to each other in character, that they are easy substitutes?
3. What kind of difference does the "Mixed" hop blend addition have compared to the add 1 hop now, then the other, then the other addition?

I am sure if you made the 60 minute according to the above hop schedule, it would be wonderful. I am also sure if you brewed a 60 minute with the hops from the 90 minute schedule, but at lower amounts, it too would be wonderful. Possibly the only way to see which tastes more like the actual 60 minute, will take brewing both.
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post Feb 10 2006, 11:01 PM
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I tried a scaled back version of the 90 minute recipe a while back and it was good but really was not a good clone. Something just gets lost.

I have made the BYO 90 minute twice and both times it was close to very close.

I can believe that both use a different yeast and different hop schedules. The more I think about it the more the suggestion of Ringwood Ale yeast makes sense. I used the whitbread yeast for the 90 minute clone.

There is just something in the 60 minute that I can't put my hands on, like a bready, yeasty, bittery, buttery something....

All I can say is that I am psyched that all my ingredients arrived this afternoon to make the current BYO 60 minute clone. This time I will save the Ringwood cake...
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post Feb 13 2006, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE(dc2002 @ Feb 9 2006, 05:43 PM)
It was hard to find all the hops in the artcle but I found one place in CA that had them all...

Home Wine, Beer and Cheesemaking Shop
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Had a great experience with these guys...I recommend them!
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