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post Jul 22 2007, 11:57 AM
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I have made a few meads [12], and I just finished teaching a mead class to get people interested in meads. We had a great turn out and got to try about 25 meads in the two classes. We got at least 6 meads made and 2 bottled. It was a real eye opener, as I can't really be called a teacher in meads but it sure was great to pool all of the money and get to order all of those meads. Still got another 5 bottles of meads left to try.

However a few cool guys brought in some meads named Viking's Blood and another with Caraway seeds. These were definitely of the Polish style yet tasted really good (compared to old and stale, soy souce meads we usually have from Poland). Compared to the other Polish meads I have had, these were really good and 21% strong. But I also had sampled 10 others before it that day. Tasted sweet, yet tawny, orange-brown and had some aging effects that weren't the usual "raisiny" [port] flavors from that extra year or two.

So what goes into a Polish style mead. I did a search and see nothing on this board. I am thinking a wild flower sack mead on oak - aged at least 2-3 years? Yeast? A clean champange style one like Avize? EC1118 [i hate it]? I don't think D47 or other sweet meads or white wine yeasts will work on this. Probably about 1.150, oak, champange + time? Got any ideas?
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post Sep 1 2007, 06:56 PM
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Well, a meadmaking colleague has recently uncovered something about Polish meads that has me now questioning our "traditional" interpretation of the ratios of honey to water used in Polish recipes. This has taken me completely by surprise, since I'd been using the definitions that I posted in an earlier message within this thread for years (no, actually for decades). This is the first time I've found any information to the contrary.

Here's the source of my current confusion: http://www.apis.pl/?en-miodypitne-poltoraki

The APIS cooperative has been making mead in Poland for, well, longer than most of us have been alive. They are the producers of Jadwiga, Kurpiowski, Lubelski, and other well known brands. As you can see from reading the page I've linked above, they use 720 g of honey in every liter of Poltorak, and 610g of honey in every liter of Dwojniak. According to Ken Schramm, as well as the National Honey Board, etc. every gallon of honey weighs on average, 11.77 lbs. That means that the gallon weighs 5.34 kg, and thus every liter of honey weighs about 1.4 kg (1 liter is 0.264 US gallons). One half liter of honey is thus 0.7 kg. Note that the ratio of honey to water in the Poltoraks from APIS is thus about 1:1, which is our interpretation of the traditional Dwojniak. The amount of honey in a Dwojniak from APIS is closer to what we traditionally considered as used in a Trojniak, etc.

The discrepancy here is something that I can't easily explain, so I'd like to ask the Polish mead experts out there to help to clear up this confusion. Moonjava, are you still out there?? (IMG:style_emoticons/brewboard/eh.gif)
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post Dec 12 2008, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE(wayneb @ Sep 1 2007, 06:56 PM) *
Well, a meadmaking colleague has recently uncovered something about Polish meads that has me now questioning our "traditional" interpretation of the ratios of honey to water used in Polish recipes. This has taken me completely by surprise, since I'd been using the definitions that I posted in an earlier message within this thread for years (no, actually for decades). This is the first time I've found any information to the contrary.

Here's the source of my current confusion: http://www.apis.pl/?en-miodypitne-poltoraki

The APIS cooperative has been making mead in Poland for, well, longer than most of us have been alive. They are the producers of Jadwiga, Kurpiowski, Lubelski, and other well known brands. As you can see from reading the page I've linked above, they use 720 g of honey in every liter of Poltorak, and 610g of honey in every liter of Dwojniak. According to Ken Schramm, as well as the National Honey Board, etc. every gallon of honey weighs on average, 11.77 lbs. That means that the gallon weighs 5.34 kg, and thus every liter of honey weighs about 1.4 kg (1 liter is 0.264 US gallons). One half liter of honey is thus 0.7 kg. Note that the ratio of honey to water in the Poltoraks from APIS is thus about 1:1, which is our interpretation of the traditional Dwojniak. The amount of honey in a Dwojniak from APIS is closer to what we traditionally considered as used in a Trojniak, etc.

The discrepancy here is something that I can't easily explain, so I'd like to ask the Polish mead experts out there to help to clear up this confusion. Moonjava, are you still out there?? (IMG:style_emoticons/brewboard/eh.gif)



Wayneb,
Półtorak really means 1 volume of honey and 0.5 volume of water.

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bales   how to make a Polish mead?   Jul 22 2007, 11:57 AM
wayneb   Polish meads are traditionally formulated by volum...   Jul 23 2007, 05:17 PM
moonjava   QUOTE(wayneb @ Jul 23 2007, 05:17 PM) Pol...   Aug 2 2007, 10:05 AM
MtnBrewer   Wayne, great summary! Any idea about the Polis...   Jul 23 2007, 06:23 PM
Hop Mania   wow, so many jokes to be made....   Jul 23 2007, 09:58 PM
wayneb   Brimminghorn, I commend you on intuitively figurin...   Jul 23 2007, 10:27 PM
brimminghorn   QUOTE(wayneb @ Jul 23 2007, 11:27 PM) Bri...   Jul 24 2007, 04:41 PM
bales   I really appreciate all of the info here. I am go...   Jul 28 2007, 06:19 PM
brimminghorn   QUOTE(bales @ Jul 28 2007, 07:19 PM) I re...   Jul 28 2007, 07:42 PM
bales   I will. I got 10 carboys I am not using at the mo...   Jul 28 2007, 10:05 PM
wayneb   moonjava (archie), Welcome to this thread and than...   Aug 2 2007, 02:38 PM
bales   Thanks guys! I went and bought a vial of the ...   Aug 4 2007, 06:54 PM
wayneb   Good luck with that yeast. I've never had suc...   Aug 4 2007, 09:24 PM
wayneb   Well, a meadmaking colleague has recently uncovere...   Sep 1 2007, 06:56 PM
ScubaStuff   QUOTE(wayneb @ Sep 1 2007, 04:56 PM) Well...   Feb 19 2008, 09:42 AM
male   QUOTE(wayneb @ Sep 1 2007, 06:56 PM) Well...   Dec 12 2008, 09:57 AM
male   QUOTE(male @ Dec 12 2008, 09:57 AM) Wayne...   Feb 11 2015, 03:16 AM
BeesNBrews   New reply on an old topic... Since I am bottling ...   Aug 18 2008, 09:43 PM
BeesNBrews   All this on Polish meads, has anybody got one goin...   Aug 29 2008, 11:21 PM
bales   I started one using dark (fall) local honey last y...   Sep 12 2008, 10:29 PM
stout_fan   Well, First off it helps to be Polish Just jokin...   Sep 23 2008, 12:45 PM
male   QUOTE(stout_fan @ Sep 23 2008, 12:45 PM) ...   Dec 12 2008, 09:44 AM


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